Can you maybe add a male character that doesn’t completely reek of douchebaggery?
I’m enjoying the story, and i get it that the “non-douchy males” here would be the 2 Bots and Grey, but it seems that every time that you add a human male, he’s a dirtbag.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I love your female characters and am EXTREMELY glad they’re the leads. They’re badasses and i don’t see this going anywhere if they weren’t there. That’s not the point.
Just suggesting a bit of a tone down on the guys’ assholey-ness.
Having said that, it makes sense that these 2 would be like this.
Sorry, but there aren’t any main character male humans in the entire story. Liam’s about as close as you get to a main human male character. In fact, other than Liam, you’re not going to see any other human males or more than one or two humans at all. There’s just not a whole lot of humans left in this universe and the majority of them are female. I take it back, you’ll meet Petra and her father is decidedly not douchy. But at the same time if what you’re looking for is male human nice guy in charge, you’re not going to find that here.
I realize that seems unbalanced, but there’s so many stories out there about nothing but human males that it’s not something I was concerned with. I will try to make people less douchy in general, but flat character is flat. Plus, these guys aren’t REALLY douchy at heart, they’re just young and full of themselves. It’s a phase.
Hello! I know your comments are directed to Batchix, but you sparked my curiosity. If you don’t mind, could you tell me why human males being jerks bothers you? Because I think Batchix’s story has a diversity of sentient characters (some even without normative ideas of gender) that are assholes or saints. Is it because it is easier for you to identify with human males more than alien/robot males?
It sounds like a silly question, but as a female, I learned since childhood to usually identify with male characters of any type, because female characters are often so badly written. (Actually male characters are often just as badly written, but it was less humiliating to identify with a powerful, badly written male.)
Just curious, because I’ve never had the chance to talk to any guys about it; very few of my guy friends are into comics.
Thanks for the answer.
I don’t want a male lead. that’s not it at all, i love that the ladies of the ship are in charge, i absolutely love them. Just a male character that isn’t a douche, which you’ve said is on the way, so that’s ok i guess. I just think it’s..ummm…”one-sided” -for a lack of better word- to make them all suck.
To Ngaire:
It is of course, easier to identify with other humans than with aliens/mechs.
Although the personality is the biggest part of relating to a character, race and gender are also things to look out for. Which is why i think Marvel is doing a great job in including -step by step- more racial diversity in it’s own comics and as Lead characters, with -off the top of my head- Miles Morales as Spider Man, and now the New Ms. Marvel who is a Muslim (and whose name i forget, sorry). Minorities or not, it’s good to see them include some characters for everyone to be able to relate MORE EASILY with.
And as for female characters, you’re right. There are too few well-written ones, which is an absolute shame, and needs better balancing.
Again, Marvel seems to be interested in doing it’s part. Captain Marvel had a great run, and i don’t know if Ms. Marvel will replace Captain or not, but we’re getting She-Hulk back soon, we had (have? not sure) the Defenders book, an all-female team, and a new X-book, also with a full female team. Plus a few books with a good male-female ratio. Like Uncanny X-Force (which is a great read btw), with Storm, Psylocke and Spiral. So at least we’re getting something, which is better than the nothing DC is giving us.
In short, i just find it easier to relate with a male human with similar personality than say, a 20 foot robot with similar personality, because the situations will be easier to relate to as well, as he’d have the same difficulties i’d have in dealing with something.
Easy example: growing up, i immensely related to Yota Moteuchi from Video Girl Ai, and could never find a character that actually “clicked” with me in Dragon Ball, even though i loved the show.
Sorry for the immense wall of text. Hope it clarifies.
Thank you very much, Grifo! While I no longer read any American comics, I used to work at a comic book store in the Midwest. Back then I was only in DC for the Vertigo line, but had previously been into X-Men. Now I just hear about DC and cringe.
It’s interesting and helpful to get your point of view. It made me think about the differences between how guys and girls relate to characters. I like thinking, so thanks again.
Well, Arestes’s husband wasn’t a douche, and he’s human. http://robotsandracks.g36.net/?p=291 And Tumi’s grandfather is no douche either. http://robotsandracks.g36.net/?p=706 In fact, he’s a really nice man who loved and raised his little granddaughters after his own daughter passed away. You might see a bit more of him in flashbacks later. Like I said, they’re not lead characters. But it’s kind of interesting that these two were forgotten and we focused instead on the teenage/college age guys. Which there’s only the two guys that Cissy brings by and Liam I think, yeah? Liam’s honestly not as bad as he seems. He’s just kind of a flake and shallow. That’s just who he is. He’s the kind of guy that relies on his luck and never has to face he consequences of his actions. If he was totally a jerk, Petra wouldn’t put up with him.
There’s lots of other male gendered characters- they just aren’t human. But the human male characters I have shown have been a variety of ages, races and sizes. There’s plenty of other books out there that you can go to for human males, so I’m not really that concerned about having more human males in the story. I guess for me, I can identify as much with Arcee, a giant robot, as I can with Captain Marvel or Batgirl, so I feel like Crash, Glitch and Grey count as guys to me.
What a bitch!
Can you maybe add a male character that doesn’t completely reek of douchebaggery?
I’m enjoying the story, and i get it that the “non-douchy males” here would be the 2 Bots and Grey, but it seems that every time that you add a human male, he’s a dirtbag.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I love your female characters and am EXTREMELY glad they’re the leads. They’re badasses and i don’t see this going anywhere if they weren’t there. That’s not the point.
Just suggesting a bit of a tone down on the guys’ assholey-ness.
Having said that, it makes sense that these 2 would be like this.
Sorry, but there aren’t any main character male humans in the entire story. Liam’s about as close as you get to a main human male character. In fact, other than Liam, you’re not going to see any other human males or more than one or two humans at all. There’s just not a whole lot of humans left in this universe and the majority of them are female. I take it back, you’ll meet Petra and her father is decidedly not douchy. But at the same time if what you’re looking for is male human nice guy in charge, you’re not going to find that here.
I realize that seems unbalanced, but there’s so many stories out there about nothing but human males that it’s not something I was concerned with. I will try to make people less douchy in general, but flat character is flat. Plus, these guys aren’t REALLY douchy at heart, they’re just young and full of themselves. It’s a phase.
Hello! I know your comments are directed to Batchix, but you sparked my curiosity. If you don’t mind, could you tell me why human males being jerks bothers you? Because I think Batchix’s story has a diversity of sentient characters (some even without normative ideas of gender) that are assholes or saints. Is it because it is easier for you to identify with human males more than alien/robot males?
It sounds like a silly question, but as a female, I learned since childhood to usually identify with male characters of any type, because female characters are often so badly written. (Actually male characters are often just as badly written, but it was less humiliating to identify with a powerful, badly written male.)
Just curious, because I’ve never had the chance to talk to any guys about it; very few of my guy friends are into comics.
Thanks for the answer.
I don’t want a male lead. that’s not it at all, i love that the ladies of the ship are in charge, i absolutely love them. Just a male character that isn’t a douche, which you’ve said is on the way, so that’s ok i guess. I just think it’s..ummm…”one-sided” -for a lack of better word- to make them all suck.
To Ngaire:
It is of course, easier to identify with other humans than with aliens/mechs.
Although the personality is the biggest part of relating to a character, race and gender are also things to look out for. Which is why i think Marvel is doing a great job in including -step by step- more racial diversity in it’s own comics and as Lead characters, with -off the top of my head- Miles Morales as Spider Man, and now the New Ms. Marvel who is a Muslim (and whose name i forget, sorry). Minorities or not, it’s good to see them include some characters for everyone to be able to relate MORE EASILY with.
And as for female characters, you’re right. There are too few well-written ones, which is an absolute shame, and needs better balancing.
Again, Marvel seems to be interested in doing it’s part. Captain Marvel had a great run, and i don’t know if Ms. Marvel will replace Captain or not, but we’re getting She-Hulk back soon, we had (have? not sure) the Defenders book, an all-female team, and a new X-book, also with a full female team. Plus a few books with a good male-female ratio. Like Uncanny X-Force (which is a great read btw), with Storm, Psylocke and Spiral. So at least we’re getting something, which is better than the nothing DC is giving us.
In short, i just find it easier to relate with a male human with similar personality than say, a 20 foot robot with similar personality, because the situations will be easier to relate to as well, as he’d have the same difficulties i’d have in dealing with something.
Easy example: growing up, i immensely related to Yota Moteuchi from Video Girl Ai, and could never find a character that actually “clicked” with me in Dragon Ball, even though i loved the show.
Sorry for the immense wall of text. Hope it clarifies.
Thank you very much, Grifo! While I no longer read any American comics, I used to work at a comic book store in the Midwest. Back then I was only in DC for the Vertigo line, but had previously been into X-Men. Now I just hear about DC and cringe.
It’s interesting and helpful to get your point of view. It made me think about the differences between how guys and girls relate to characters. I like thinking, so thanks again.
No problem at all.
Well, Arestes’s husband wasn’t a douche, and he’s human. http://robotsandracks.g36.net/?p=291 And Tumi’s grandfather is no douche either. http://robotsandracks.g36.net/?p=706 In fact, he’s a really nice man who loved and raised his little granddaughters after his own daughter passed away. You might see a bit more of him in flashbacks later. Like I said, they’re not lead characters. But it’s kind of interesting that these two were forgotten and we focused instead on the teenage/college age guys. Which there’s only the two guys that Cissy brings by and Liam I think, yeah? Liam’s honestly not as bad as he seems. He’s just kind of a flake and shallow. That’s just who he is. He’s the kind of guy that relies on his luck and never has to face he consequences of his actions. If he was totally a jerk, Petra wouldn’t put up with him.
There’s lots of other male gendered characters- they just aren’t human. But the human male characters I have shown have been a variety of ages, races and sizes. There’s plenty of other books out there that you can go to for human males, so I’m not really that concerned about having more human males in the story. I guess for me, I can identify as much with Arcee, a giant robot, as I can with Captain Marvel or Batgirl, so I feel like Crash, Glitch and Grey count as guys to me.
Think those three will get their walking papers, the crew doesn’t need them really.
Mrs. Grumpy pants needs to shut up. I don’t like her, that is my excuse.